October 19, 2012
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2 Biggest Republican Talking Points from the Right Point of View
1. The National Debt- Yes, our National Debt is the largest it has ever been at 16 Trillion dollars and part of that is due to President Obama signing The Emergency Economic Stabalization Act of 2008. Because of that over $700 Million Dollars went to purchase distressed Assets, Mortgage backed Securities, and bail out so called too big to fail banks like Goldman Sachs, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac. The United States government also used that money to bail out GM, Chrystler, and Chevrolet. Each working Americans share that we are expected to pay back is $4,365. Economist Michael Hudson predicted that the bailouts would cause us to go into a Depression causing Hyper Inflation, and The U.S. Dollar to collapse.
2. Taxes- Yes, Taxes are going to go up and they are going to have to go up soon, if we intend to keep ourselves from going over the Fiscal Cliff. As a result of the Big Bank Bailouts of 2008 I already said each person’s individual share is $4,365 that we need to pay back and that is on top of the over $577,000 each individual U.S. citizen owes for things like Battleships in WW2, Flamethrowers in Vietnam, Road Repairs from 1986, and the installation of telephone poles in the 1850′s. This does not include Healthcare costs due to the PPACA or Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010. It is over three thousand pages long, and I would be here all night if I told you about all the taxes that are in this bloodsucking monstrosity. Most in which have not even taken effect yet.
So if you want to talk about a Republican’s point of view, this is it. We need to do whatever it takes to get out of Debt as soon as possible. We need to cut wasteful spending, and reduce the Social Programs and unneeded things like free Cell Phones, free Obamabucks, free Healthcare for all, which are not really free and cause taxes to go up. We need to do it as soon as possible. That is why I am voting for Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.
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Scary.
What does this even mean?
Neither side is trying to pretend we don’t have a national debt or budget deficit, nor is either side disputing we need spending cuts (just where), though there is a vast difference of opinion on trying to gain increased revenues (be that through increased taxes and/or reform).
If you actually look at Mitt Romney’s proposal plan, there’s a BIG $1 trillion hole left to be filled even AFTER the tax breaks – ALL of them – are eliminated.
Yeah, that’s a recipe to clear the debt and close the budget deficit. -_-
Right, reducing Social Programs is a great way to start. Why don’t you try explaining that to the people that depend on those programs to survive? I’m sure your deluded opinions would be well received. Dick.
The biggest waste of all is on paying aide to the dictatorial governments of dysfunctional nations all over the globe. Our government needs to concentrate on taking care of our people not just taking advantage of them. Let other governments take care of their own problems.
@chronic_masticator -
I don’t understand why people cannot see that Republicans are trying to help make everyone equally prosperous, and democrats are trying to make everyone equally poor.
@derekwilson24 - before this county can prosper the rich guys like Mit should bring all the jobs that they have moved to other countries back to the united states…..Taking food and medicines and a warm house away from people that depend on SS is wrong…
@derekwilson24 - Because those prosperous policies have definitely helped the middle class -_-
The ACA doesn’t mean “free healthcare for all;” it reforms the current system to help more people – such as students between 21 and 26, those with preexisting conditions, those who have met arbitrary monetary limits on coverage. It allows more people access to pay for health premiums, not be given healthcare for “free”.
My advice? Do your research and get your facts straight.
@derekwilson24 – No point in arguing with the stupid. I’ll leave you to your hard right God bubble. I hope your Jesus can forgive you for forsaking millions of people.
@SisterMae - Mitt Romney hasn’t moved any jobs overseas. His job at Bain Capital was to save American jobs.
The tax, spend, borrow and regulate, policies of the Democrat Party are what have sent jobs overseas.
Voting for Romney is the only way to get the American job creation engine going again. Obama’s policies have killed it.
@chronic_masticator - $1 trillion was spent on welfare last year alone.
Did it cure poverty? Of course it did not.
The reason is because it’s only purpose was to buy votes. Most poor people are poor because they are stupid and have filthy, failing habits.
The Democrats take advantage of that fact.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - We will just have to agree to disagree here
@PrisonerxOfxLove – It’s not supposed to “cure poverty.” It’s designed so people can survive, not suddenly become wealthy. Have either of you ever been to an assistance office? It’s nowhere anyone wants to be. The poorest of the poor all crowd together in a tiny lobby to wait for hours to speak to someone who couldn’t give two fucks if we live or die. And even though the assistance received is barely enough to make ends meet, I was happy to have had it as long as I did. It made the difference between keeping my boy fed or all of us laying dead in a ditch.
@chronic_masticator - I am just saying what the designers of welfare said about it.
Woodrow Wilson from the 1890′s, FDR from the 1930′s, Lyndon Johnson from the 1960′s are the designers of the modern American welfare state.
And they all thought that their great plans would eliminate poverty and allow man to evolve into a higher, better creature.
Lyndon Johnson’s welfare legislation was even called the War of Poverty. And Lyndon Johnson had every intention of winning that war.
So what you believe is totally false and simply a product of your own imagination.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - No, what I believe in has been out of my own experience and the majority of those also on assistance programs. In my state, the only way a family can receive welfare is if neither parent works. A family of three, with two unemployed parents, only brings home $120 a month on welfare. A MONTH. I know this for fact because I asked my case worker. Granted, they also receive food stamps and utility assistance, but $120 isn’t even enough for gas money to get out of that unfortunate position. How do you expect anyone to overcome poverty with such terrible odds and zero advantage?
@chronic_masticator - Your personal experience is not truth. Truth is objective and therefore applies to everyone equally.
Government programs steal money from those who earned it and give it to those who have not earned it.
Therefore you advocate theft so that you and other unfortunates can benefit. That means the government has turned you into a common criminal who doesn’t care about anyone but herself.
The poor do indeed need help.
But since government welfare is immoral and turns its beneficiaries into common thieves, government welfare must be abandoned for a system based on Christian charity.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - My experience is truth BECAUSE I’VE LIVED IT, and so have hundreds of thousands of others. I guarantee you that the vast majority of us would share very similar stories about our situations.
@chronic_masticator - Poverty is ignorance and misfortune and those are not the truth.
Saying, “I experience ignorance and misfortune and therefore ignorance and misfortune are the truth,” is itself a statement of ignorance.
Theft is not the truth. And relying on the pittance the government steals for you degrades you and makes you sub human.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - No, what’s subhuman is so few “good Christians” willing to help the poor. The church would rather spend their collections on building mega-churches and expanding property than build a soup kitchen to feed the homeless and hungry. Relying on help from others makes no one a thief. If needing help makes one a thief, then we’re all thieves in one way or another.
@chronic_masticator - Since our society is Christian, you are benefiting from Christian largess.
The problem is that Christians in general, over the years, have been convinced that government welfare programs are the best way to care for the poor.
The truth is that politicians develops poverty programs to insure their perpetual re-election.
That’s why poverty still persists.
@derekwilson24 - Is that why under Republican top down economic policies the wealth of the top tier grew 270% while the rest of Americans slid into economic crisis?
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Our society is NOT Christian. Our country was founded on the idea of religious freedom, which means that we can be of any faith we choose, if we choose. If I wanted to worship the sun, there’s not a thing in this country that could stop me. Christians may be the majority of our population, but they damn sure don’t rule my life. You keep saying Christians could do it better ~ show me. Tell me your great Christian plan that would get everyone out of poverty, keep them fed and clothed and sheltered, but does so without anyone relying on it because that would be thieving.
@chronic_masticator - You are butt ignorant, impoverished and uneducated.
That is the essence of poverty in America.
Government welfare can’t solve that. It just perpetuates it leaving victims like you embittered and with a feeling that you are entitled to other people’s money.
If you were to ever read the Mayflower Compact of 1620, the Northwest Ordinance of 1787, any number of writings by the Founding Fathers or the Declaration of Independence, you would realize immediately that America is a Christian nation.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Wrong on all counts ~ I’m informed, very well educated, and no longer dependent on assistance. You, my friend, are the antithesis of Christianity. All you do is hate and fear monger, and your heart is closed to those who desperately need help. I’m still waiting to hear your great Christian plan to fix all of our country’s problems.
@chronic_masticator - You have set yourself on the judgment seat. That is exactly your problem with Christians.
Applying a standard to others that you do not apply to yourself is called hypocrisy.
My arguments are based on principles defined by human nature.
Your self-righteousness and your attempt at guilt tripping anyone who disagrees with you is characteristic of Democrat Party politics.
Wickedness is what it is.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - You are nothing if not entertaining. We’ll see who’s in the judgment seat when it’s time. I bet it’s not me. Have a nice night.
@chronic_masticator - Your own words clearly show your sense of entitlement and your bitterness toward Christians.
Since you have not read even one of America’s founding documents your claim of being educated is a lie.
So all you have offered in this discussion is ignorance, arrogance, immorality, hypocrisy and one lie after the other.
There is no reason on God’s green Earth for Christians to put up with people like that.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Still waiting to hear that plan of yours. Guess I’m not the only one full of lies.
@chronic_masticator - I never offered a plan. Hallucinating alternate realities goes along with hypocrisy, lies, ignorance, arrogance and entitlement.
You are why hard working people are finally starting to wake up and smell the failure of government sponsored “social justice.”
@PrisonerxOfxLove - You can go fuck yourself with a Bible. You know I work hard. Remember being friends with me on your Loborn account? Aside from a few years I couldn’t find work after having a child, I’ve worked hard my entire goddamn life. I work in the public school system. I spend my days caring for my boy and my sick grandmother. I host charity bake sales so that hungry children can have food. I’ve volunteered at soup kitchens. I volunteer at the preschools when I’m off the clock. When someone asks for help, I give it to them without question. I’ve damn near bankrupted myself trying to make sure everyone else has what they need. When we were still receiving food stamps, my husband and I were both working. And somehow needing a little extra help makes me an immoral thief? My tax dollars pay for those benefits, too. Same as yours would if you ever found yourself in similar conditions. What the hell have you ever done besides sit behind a computer condemning people to hell? You’re the absolute worst person I’ve ever encountered.
And when you say we should give up the government’s social programs and adopt a Christian system, one would naturally assume you’ve got an idea in mind, considering there is no such system right now. So, no ideas then? That’s what I thought.
@chronic_masticator - ah, Loborn. no wonder.
@chronic_masticator - Blaspheming against the Bible only proves my point one more time.
@plantinthewindow - Name calling only bolsters the case that Godless people do not have any rational arguments.
Bullying, name-calling, and lying, are about all you have to offer.
It would be great if you could prove me wrong.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - You’re doing a good job of that, yourself. You don’t need any help from me. I would say I’d wipe my ass with the Bible’s pages, but the paper’s a bit too rough for my delicate cheeks.
@chronic_masticator - my exact response.
@chronic_masticator - When one of Satan’s minions orders me to “fuck myself with a Bible” it’s time to beg off.
Clearly you are so full of evil.
Immoral government programs feed evil into the people of our society. That’s why God fearing people must put an end to them.
It’s pure madness.
I think everyone agrees that we need to get out of debt “as soon as possible,” as you write. The big question, though, is how soon is possible? A large amount of the stimulus money went to state and local governments to help cover budget shortfalls (because most states have balanced budget requirements) - that money kept a lot of people from ending up unemployed, which would have made the recession even worse.
If we were to turn around tomorrow and cut too much spending too quickly, or raise taxes too high, too quickly, it would have a negative effect on the economy. It is all a question of how much, how quickly, and neither campaign has produced a credible, detailed plan.
@cmdr_keen - @chronic_masticator -
Under Ronald Regan’s Administration, and both Bush Administrations unemployment never exceeded Obama’s 7.8% Unemployment. Keep in mind this was also Post Cold war era, Gulf War in Iraq era, and Post 9-11-2001 era. Welfare dependancy is double now at 52,300,000 people needing assistance, than what it was 4 years ago.
My church Only Believe Ministries Christian Center in Botkins OH (www.obmcc.org) does help clothe and feed the poor. We have a clothes closet, a food pantry, all kinds of outreach ministries, and Brothers and Sisters in Christ who are tender, loving, caring, and compassionately willing to reach out and help those in need.
@derekwilson24 - One church out of millions doesn’t really do much to change my mind. Nice try, though.
@chronic_masticator - @chronic_masticator - @PrisonerxOfxLove -
Just a warning, I do not tolerate Profanity or Obscenity on my site. If it happens again I will block and delete you all. Consider yourself warned.
@chronic_masticator -
You should consider giving your life over to the Lord Jesus Christ, and trust in him instead of Obama, The government, The Democrats, or Welfare. You could start a Homeless Shelter, Food Pantry or Clothes Closet and do Ministry in your area.
@derekwilson24 – i don’t need religion to do any of those things.
@derekwilson24 -
Neither administration had to deal with an economy that was still in recession when they came to, or were in, power. The country was losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a day when Obama took office, with more being threatened. When Obama took office he stemmed the bleeding (which took nine months to October 2009, the peak of unemployment at 10.0%, and has been declining ever since.
Bush and Reagan were fortunate, and it was despite their policies the country did well, not because of them. Clinton was the same, and he was the only President out of the three who ran budget surpluses.
@chronic_masticator -
That is why you vote for Socialism. Right?
@cmdr_keen -
I disagree with you. I believe that the Trickle Down Economics and deregulation that Republicans believe in works and is proven by Regan Policies of the 1980′s the Bush Policies of the 1990′s and the Bush Policies of the 2000′s and Trickle up economics only make everyone equally poor. What happens when you run out of other people’s money?
@chronic_masticator -
I know. That is true. Why not give your life to God just because he loves you and died for you then?
@derekwilson24 – because I don’t believe in it. Now, proselytize at someone else. I’m quite through with you and your sky daddy.
@chronic_masticator -
You don’t have to believe in Him, he believes in you. “Behold, I stand at the door and knock, and if anyone will but open the door and let me come in I will sup with them and they with me.” -Jesus Christ (Rev 3:20)
@derekwilson24 -
Stop spouting talking points and soundbites and do some research.
First, President Bill Clinton was in office 1992-2000: that’s the majority of the nineties. He was elected over George Bush in 1992 on primarily economic issues.
Second, it was at the end of George W Bush’s term in 2008 that the economy sank – in part due to his deregulatory economic policies that assumed Wall St could regulate itself
Third, since Reagan has been in office, real wages for the majority of people – 90% – have remained flat. Those for a small percentage, your CEOs and the like, have exponentially increased. For “trickle down” economics to work, real wages would be increasing as well, not necessarily as fast, but certainly an upward trend that’s lacking.
Fourth, all individuals who earn above a base minimum pay taxes, so ALL are paying in to the same system that is providing much needed assistance for others to survive, such as the other commentator on this site. It’s not a case of taking from some to give to others. It’s a fallacy that’s perpetuated without basis regularly.
So, do some actual research and look at the numbers rather than parroting newsbytes and soundbites that fit your philosophy.
@cmdr_keen -
Believe me I have. :goodjob: