June 4, 2007
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Isn’t that Circular Reasoning?
Circular Reasoning =
”In logic, begging the question has traditionally described a type of logical fallacy, petitio principii, in which the proposition to be proved is assumed implicitly or explicitly in one of the premises. Begging the question is related to the fallacy known as circular argument, circulus in probando, vicious circle or circular reasoning. As a concept in logic the first known definition in the West is by the Greek philosopher Aristotle around 350 B.C., in his book Prior Analytics.
The phrase is sometimes used to simply mean “poses the question”. This recasting of the term more directly describes a related fallacy, known as the Fallacy of many questions, that occurs when the evidence given for a proposition is as much in need of proof as the proposition itself” -Wikipedia Free Online Encyclopedia-
They Teach this in Text Books, Universities, and Museums all over the World.
A. The way that Geologists, and Paleontologists determine the age of a fossil is by what layer of the GEOLOGIC COLUMN it is in.
B. The way they tell the age of the layer, is by the fossils that are in the layer.
A. + B. = Circular Reasoning.
Have we been Bamboozled into believing that the earth is Billions of years old, when maybe its not?
Comments (14)
You keep on preaching it babe!!!
:yes: :goodjob: :coolman: :love: I love you!
Do you believe that the world was created in a literal 7 Days or do you believe that the 7 days is more poetic, like there could have been thousands or millions of years between each “day”. This is how I have heard an explanation for the dinasaurs.. and its catually the onyl answer that kinda makes since. I doubt Noah walked with dinasaurs.. and i doubt that dinasaurs were around 8,000 years ago.
Daniel (doubledb)
oh, i agree with you – but this is just a wondering question.
I believe that the creation was a literal 7 days. I believe that the earth is only about 6 or 7 thousand years old. Not millions, or billions. I also believe that Dinosaurs still exist. People see them all the time. Just not as much as they used to because most of them are dead. But not all. The Bible talks about Behemoth and Laviathan in Job 41, which I believe are Dinosaurs. But before they invented the word dinosaur, they called them dragons. Almost every culture has a story or legend about Dragons, even after the flood. I believe that they have existed all along, and still exist today.
http://www.nessie.co.uk/
http://images.google.com/images?q=ogopogo&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&um=1&sa=X&oi=images&ct=title
I believe in Creation Science. It is basically believing what the Bible says, period. I like this guy Dr. Kent Hovind. He is very good at explaining the Bible scientifically. Watch this video: http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=8ae64038134f1eeaa023 http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=8ae64038134f1eeaa023
and if you like that, go to: http://www.drdino.com to order the videos. They are jammed packed with scientific evidence that proves the Bible, and disproves the Big Bang THEORY and the THEORY of Evolution.
You misunderstand me… I do not believe in evolution, i believe in God as creator (Creationism). What you seem not to know is that there are some theories about Genesis One. Here is a ling for the “Gap Theory” and “Day-Age Theory”
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/gap.html
the guy does not agree with the Day-Age theory (obviously) but I have always been curious about it cause it seems to explain something that doesnt get explained really elsewhere. I tried to find some of the other theories but they are slim and hard to find
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/compromise.asp
ok, these are some of the best ones:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_world1.htm
http://www.bibleandscience.com/science/creation.htm
http://www.slideshare.net/fbchenderson/five-major-views-of-creation/
wow, these are some good links.. and im keeping them for myself as well. I’m not sure yet if I am 100% on any of these, but sometimes I blieve it is ok to think outside of our box. That and i do not believ that my faith in Jesus depends on what theory of creation i believe, only that God created and I submit to Him and his Word.
Daniel (doubledb)
There is actually plenty of proof that dinosaurs walked with humans. The Taylor Trail in the Paluxy river, near Glen Rose, Texas showed Human and dinosaur tracks in crossing! If you would like to learn more, check out the link below.
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-trail.htm
Also, how do we deal with the many, many artifacts from ancient civilizations which show humans and dinosaurs together? To see some of this art/artifacts, check out the link below.
http://s8int.com/dinolit1.html
Just some food for thought.
Daniel-
I understand the day-age theory and the gap theory. I myself, before studying it out, shrugged my shoulders and said, “Yeah, maybe”. That would really explain some things that Science is saying to me. Now, mind you, I didn’t think this was a great matter which really needed to be focused on or studied out. I have however come to believe in a six-day/young earth creation theory. This is because I believe that the Bible actually explains itself. There is reason to believe that the dinosoars walked with man, that the post-flood world would have made it difficult for them to survive. I had my own theory about it… when I found out that lizards grow until the day they die, I thought that maybe they just aren’t growing to be as big. If men lived nearly ten times longer before the flood, then so did lizards, and all the more for them to grow to enormous size. (And they wouldn’t live as long now, so that they would not grow to be as large.)
Then I saw some videos which my husband referenced above…. and he reminded me that the earth was encircled by water, (firmament) and that the oxygen content was higher and the pressure was different, which would allow people and animals to grow bigger, and live longer. This water came down during the flood and no longer encircles the earth. Then people started having shorter lives. (As did animals.)
Now this is all explained in the Bible. But, do you believe in a literal translation of the rest of the Bible, aside from Genisis?
There is much more to be said on this topic. I have watched hours and hours of these videos and it would not be practical to list them here. I assure you that it is perfectly logical and perfectly scientific to believe that Genisis is literal and not poetic, and that God did create it in six literal days.
(For instance, Genisis says that God created the plants before he created the sun. Now, the plants need the sun to live on. If there were a thousand years between, the plants would have died. If you look at the order in which God created everything, it makes perfect sense that each creation that would be dependant on the other would exist within a few days of one another.)
Posted 6/5/2007 10:04 AM by Chandasong
Yes, that is another way of looking at things as well.. And I have heard of it. like I said before, I dont know, im not 100% sure – and like interpreting the book of Revelation, I know the main concern in Genesis is that God created and the main concern in revelation is that Jesus is returnign and God will restore the world (New heaven and new earth) back to the original creation.
Now, as far as poetry, there is plenty of it in the bible. The psalms are poetic and proverbs are wisdom-like parables, which are not to be taken literally in any situation but generally. And then there are the examples of Jesus parables.. obviously they are not literal. So, why for the most part I do agree the Bible is to be taken literally, especially on issues of doctrine of God and Jesus, there are other aspects that might be poetic and sometimes the interpretation of these does not have a pivitol meaning to our faith… sometimes, suich as on issues of homosecuality or women in the church, it may.
I dont know if that answered you question, but i tried. I may come back later… but its always hard to find the time to basicalyl come up with a paper in 5 minutes on issues like this (all the history, interpretation, and scriptures – exampels and such).
Daniel (doubledb)
“The psalms are poetic and proverbs are wisdom-like parables, which are not to be taken literally in any situation but generally. And then there are the examples of Jesus parables.. obviously they are not literal.”
My response: I believe that the Bible (The Whole thing) is meant to be taken literally however, poetic it may seem. I believe that the parables that Jesus spoke really was and is meant to be taken literally. Like when he said if your eye offends you, pluck it out, or if your hand offends you, cut it off. Because it is “literally” better to enter the kingdom of heaven halt or maimed, than to burn for eternity in a “literal” Hell of fire and damnation.
In response to the Gap Theory, and Day Age theory, I am familiar with them, and I do not believe them. I think that most of these theories aim toward discrediting the Genesis account, and if you can do that, then what makes any of it credible. It is not a poem, or a storybook (no offense) it is literal and needs to be taken so. Its that serious.
I was simply trying to say that many people believe the Gap Theory and Day-Age theory because they find it necessary to do so, based on Science. My point is that there is plenty of science to back up the Bible and it is not necessary to believe either theory. It is not necessary to explain away the Bible.
FYI: Yes, psalms is poetry, and the Hebrew (Jewish) Bible clearly devides the books into sections, Historical/Law, Writings, and Prophets. Guess which section Genisis is in?
You guessed it, history. So that is the way I am going to interpret it.
The bible makes a poor science manual, and science makes a poor spiritual guide. Science has not helped its own cause by stating things as facts when the facts support them as theories, not as laws. Instead of saying “current thinking assumes that evolution might have played a leading role in…” they say “evolution is responsible for where we are as humans today.” Very different sentences, and this form of hubris is everywhere in science. Personally, I don’t think it matters one dyno-croc of difference if the earth was created in 7 minutes 7 years ago. We would find a way to confuse the issue. It’s our nature.
I love it!! I so love it!!!
I doubt the guy above will see this, but the Gap Theory and all those other theories are heresy, as they put death before sin. Anyway… I just wanted to add my two cents. Great post!